OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL 5-BATTEN SAIL EVER IS BACK! COMBINED WITH THE LIGHT DONE RIGHT CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE OTHER BUILD CONCEPTS DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST DECADE THE REINCARNATION OF THE DUKE IS SET TO BE THE NEW BENCHMARK FOR WIND-RANGE ORIENTED HANDLING SAILS.
Our most successful 5-batten sail ever came back with a bang in SS23, and for SS25 we have given it a facelift!
The DUKE combines our LIGHT DONE RIGHT construction and all the other build concepts developed over the past decade to set a new benchmark for wind-range oriented handling sails.
When it came to developing the DUKE, it was a 1.5 year project, with you, the final user always at the center of the development. As a starting point we involved “real” end-consumers who use these kinds of sails regularly and our surf centers to define a bucket list for the reincarnation of the DUKE, and here is the outcome and how we went about it:
Maximum wind range especially in changing and/or super gusty conditions.
This is the most important factor and the major advantage when going for a 5-batten handling sail. As a simple rule, more battens give you more control and a bigger wind range. Usually this has a negative effect on the low
end power as more battens make it harder for the wind to inflate the sail and it becomes less efficient for pumping. Therefore, we have incorporated the BATTEN FREE CENTER concept from the SUPER_HERO. Instead of the usual even batten distribution the DUKE features a bigger gap between the foot batten and the batten above the boom. This makes the boom area easier to inflate plus increases the stability in the top (due to the increased batten density in this area). The second downside is that every batten increases the weight of the sail. That’s the reason why there was a trend towards fewer battens for wave sails in the past years.
Superlight feeling in your hands but without falling apart after 1-2 seasons.
The reduced weight of 4-batten sails was the major reason for the disappearance of the 5-batten sails in the past decade. Fortunately, we have made some major construction improvements over the last 10 years. The outcome of this development was the LIGHT DONE RIGHT CONSTRUCTION which got introduced in 2022. By replacing the usual multilayer reinforcements with a single layer of high-quality fabric and introducing the ONE PIECE SLEEVE we were able to reduce the overall weight by 300g. Most important we are the only brand out there where these weight savings have been achieved without reducing the thickness of the film and XPly panels. Only this way we can still guarantee our unmatched 5 year warranty. Another issue when reducing the film thickness is that the sail becomes spongy as the energy fizzles out in the increased elongation. This leads to the sail feeling heavier in your hands. So in contrary to others our sails are not just lighter on the scale but especially in your hands on the water when you use them. Cause this is where it really counts!
Early planing power even without excessive pumping
To achieve maximum planing power the DUKE features a high draft distribution combined with a deep profile which helps lifting the board onto the plane.
Super neutral in maneuvers
To make tricks and turns as easy as possible the sail should go completely neutral during maneuvers. Therefore, the DUKE comes with a more forward oriented draft position. The forward draft turns the power off and goes completely neutral as soon as you sheet out or shift the sail. This results in a much higher success rate.
Good lift and control for jumping
The higher draft position also increases your airtime as it generates lift while the more forward oriented draft position helps you to always remain in control.
Maximum range of use
One of the greatest assets of the DUKE is its versatility. It’s pure extasy in bump & jump conditions on your freewave board or as a smaller sail for blasting around on your freeride board. The forward/up draft position makes it also very capable for classic and even new school freestyle tricks. And last but not least it’s a great sail for medium wave and/or jumping conditions especially in gusty or challenging wind conditions. So, the new DUKE is a real all- round high performance contender challenging any handling sail out there.
Straight forward and fast to rig
With all the features, markers and hints we have developed over the past 40 years it’s safe to say that there is no other sail which is faster or more precise to rig than a DUOTONE sail. This means even if you aren’t a pro who is rigging and trimming their sail every day you will still achieve the same correct trim. As only with the correct trim can you unlock 100% of the sail’s performance.
Similar feeling than your bigger Freeride/Performance sails
Another important factor is that all the sails in your quiver should have a similar feeling/behavior. This even counts for professionals as it usually takes even them a full day to get used and adjust their style to a sail which feels very different. The major reason why sails feel different is the position of the draft in the sail. Fortunately, also here the DUKE has got you covered as it features a very similar draft position to the vast majority of all modern freeride sails.
So, you see we have thrown our entire know-how and experience into the mix to create the most sophisticated Jump N’ Ride high performance sail ever.
Finally, the new DUKE comes in 2 optional constructions:
+ The regular DUKE features a 50% monofilm construction with all high load areas (foot, clew, top, luff) being beefed up with XPly.
+ The DUKE HD though is made entirely out of XPly to give you that extra peace of mind.
ATTENTION: since the mast geometry and length (= stiffness) depend on the sail design, size and luff curve the sails will NOT work with any masts outside the recommendations!
WHAT'S NEW
VISUAL FACELIFT
TECHNICALLY UNCHANGED
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YOUR PERFECT BOARD MATCH
KNOWLEDGE BASE SAILS
BRAND COMPATIBILITY
At DUOTONE we use a Medium Constant Curve for our masts (our bend percentages range between 61-63 bottom and 75-77 top depending on model and length). As this curve sits right in the middle within Constant Curve masts it offers the biggest compatibility of any bend curve. This makes our masts and sails the most compatible on the market.
HERE IS HOW GOOD OTHER BRAND MASTS WORK WITH OUR SAILS AND VICE VERSA:
Challenger Sails, Ezzy, GA (2017 on), Goya, Gun Sails, KA Sails, Loft Sails, Naish Sails, NeilPryde (RDM masts), RRD, S2Maui, Sailloft, Sailworks, Severne (RDM masts, 2014 on)
>> 80-90% (depending on model and size)
Hot Sails, NeilPryde (SDM masts), Point7, Severne (SDM masts, 2014 on), Simmer Style, Chinook
>> 70-80% (depending on model and size)
Avanti, Gaastra (until 2016), Maui Sails, Severne (until 2013), Vandal
>> Not compatible
Most customers change their individual sail and mast sizes according to demand and therefore end up owning a quiver with different brands. When building up your personal sail quiver, you should try to combine sails that have a similar feel and behavior. The one decisive factor defining how similar or different one sail feels/behaves to another is the position of the draft, in both levels, vertical (high><low) and horizontal (forward><back).
Freeride and slalom sails from the different brands nowadays feel quite similar since at least the horizontal draft position is forward oriented on nearly every sail today.
The biggest difference though you find with wave sails.
Basically there are 2 different kind of wave sails:
Draft centered (= balanced pull on both hands) and low (to keep the sail controllable)
These sails are the ideal companion for multi-fin boards. Since the balanced pull on both hands makes them super neutral in your hands they shine especially in real down the line conditions. On the other hand they feel very different to modern freeride and slalom sails (which are very forward pulling). So if you are using such draft back/low wave sails only very occasionally as your high wind flat water sail you might be better off with the second type of wave sails.
Draft forward and up (to still generate enough low end power)
These sails work on both single- and multi-fin boards. With the forward pulling feeling they are more exiting/direct to sail and have a very similar feeling to modern freeride and slalom sails. In addition they are the ideal choice for side-onshore jumping conditions as the higher and forward oriented draft helps/accelerates rotations in the air (especially forward loops).
So when mixing your quiver with different sails/brands you should try to combine sails which have a similar draft position and thus feeling and behavior.
Just follow these guidelines:
You are looking for a direct feeling wave sail especially for jumping. Or you need a smaller sail to complete your freeride or slalom sails. Try to get draft forward/up wave sails. Typical examples are:
Duotone Super_Star / Duotone Duke / NP Zone / NP Combat (until 2018) / NP Atlas / Point7 Salt / Point7 Spy / Severne S1 / Severne Blade
You are looking for a wave sail which is super neutral for down the line riding and very forgiving in nuking gusty conditions. Try to get draft centered/low wave sails. Typical examples are:
Duotone Super_Hero / GA IQ / GA Manic / Goya Fringe / Goya Banzai / NP Combat (2019 on) / Simmer Tricera / Simmer Blacktip / Simmer Icon
Try to avoid combining draft forward/up- with draft centered/low sails in your quiver as these feel and behave extremely different.
THE MAST - THE MOST UNDERESTIMATED PART OF YOUR RIG
The importance of the mast is usually extremely underrated. In fact, the mast is comparable to the transmission of a car. Or in other words, a Ferrari with only one gear is not very fast, only the correct transmission maximizes the potential of the engine into v-max.
When you compress a mast using downhaul tension every mast has a specific bend curve. This bend curve has to match with the luff curve of your sail in order to work in conjunction with the sail. On the other hand if the mast has a different bend curve than the luff curve both parts work against each other. Therefore it is utmost important to buy the right mast for your sail.
To say it loud and clear: a wrong mast will destroy min. 30% of your sails performance or in other words will turn a winner into a shit sail!
The only other thing you can do to kill your sails performance is wrong/insufficient downhaul tension.
In general, at Duotone, we modify our mast curves just very, very moderately, if at all, from one year to the next. There are 2 reasons for this:
1. we try to keep our masts compatible with our sails for as long as possible to avoid forcing customers to always buy a new mast with their new sail.
2. our sail designer Kai is always trying to reduce the "design variables" as much as possible. This way he can constantly improve the sails performance. And since the mast curves have a tremendous impact on the sail, he is not very eager to change the curves.
Even on our high-performance Platinum mast series, the bend curves are only slightly adjusted from year to year. All other mast series generally remain completely unchanged. This means that as long as you are not a Word Cup pro, you can use 10 year old or even older Duotone masts (or from our previous brand) in our sails.
1. MAST STIFFNESS
Your rig is like a bird's wing, it is not a static but a dynamic object. Everything above your boom is under permanent movement to react/adapt to changing wind conditions (wind strength and direction) as well as to water movement.
There is a simple rule across all masts: the longer the mast the stiffer it is, or rather, the stiffer it must be. This is simply because the larger the sail surface becomes, the more support it needs from the mast. In a way the mast is the backbone of your rig.
What happens if a mast is too stiff or too soft for the sail (size)?
1. mast too stiff: the rig becomes super hard to control (especially when powered up) and uncomfortable (exhausting) to sail as the mast doesn't flex sufficiently e.g. when a gust hits your sail.
2. mast too soft: a mast that is too soft reduces the profile in the sail (because it already bends too much when downhauling the sail). When sailing It also bends too much with every gust. Both factors reduce the performance of your sail.
Your body weight also plays a role here. On the same sail a 60 kg lightweight will want to use a slightly softer mast than a 90 kg heavyweight sailor.
2. MAST DIAMETER (RDM VS. SDM)
There are two diameters existing:
1. SDM (Standard Diameter Mast) with 48,5 mm inside diameter at the bottom
2. RDM (Reduced Diameter Mast) with 32-33 mm inside diameter at the bottom
RDM masts make sense only up to lengths of around 430 cm, as they have a rather soft flex behaviour due to their smaller cross section. Therefore, they are primarily suitable for Wave/Freestyle sails with the additional advantage that they are easier to grip during manoeuvres.
On the other hand, larger, mostly performance-oriented sails require stiffer masts with a “more direct“ flex. This characteristic requires a larger mast cross section in order to achieve the required stiffness.
3. CARBON CONTENT >< WEIGHT >< PRICE >< PERFORMANCE
Compared to glass fiber, carbon is
a much stiffer fiber:
Due to this higher stiffness, less material/wall-thickness is requires, which ultimately results in a much lighter mast. The weight of the mast has an significant influence on how light the whole rig feels in your hands. No joke compared to a 50% carbon mast with a 100% carbon mast your rig will feel as if it would be 1 square meter smaller! And this is something everyone from beginner to World Cup pro will immediately feel and appreciate.
a much faster reacting (responsing) fiber:
When a gust hits your rig it twists off to absorb the sudden energy surge (instead of pulling you into a catapult). In order to create forward movement the mast has to reflex back. The faster this happens the faster the rig is ready for the next gust/impact.
a much more expensive fiber:
Unfortunately carbon fiber is 10-20 times more expensive than glass. That means the higher the carbon content, the more expensive the mast.
DESIGN PHYSICS OF MODERN WINDSURF SAILS
Especially in the top and towards the clew weight is key cause due to the leverage-effect you feel every gram a multiple times in your hands. Because of the quite limited amount of materials available though the only way to reduce the sail weight is by reducing the thickness of the materials. The secret is finding the sweet spot of lowest possible weight but without sacrificing durability and longevity/sustainability.
Modern Windsurf sails consist of the following raw materials:
(1) MAST SLEEVE MATERIAL
Rough woven Polyester fabric. The rough structure gives it a maximum abrasion resistance against impact from the outside (e.g. board contact or contact during rigging) as well as from the inside (through the mast).
(2) MONOFILM
Plastic film made out of Polyester available in clear- or colored versions. This hard plastic film has a very low stretch (for maximum performance) and doesn‘t absorb any water (dry weight = wet weight). Attention: monofilm isn't very UV-resistant. Therefore keep your sail out of direct sun light when not sailing. Also monofilm isn't very abrasion resistant.
(3) XPLY LAMINATE
2 thin layers of monofilm and a pattern of threads (out of Polyester or Dyneema) are glued together creating a sandwich laminate. The additional threads are supposed to function as a rip stop in case the film gets punctured (e.g. falling into the sail with your harness hook first). When using the same total thickness as monofilm (= same low stretch, same UV- and puncture-resistance) XPly is 30% heavier due to the additional adhesive (and threads).
(4) DACRON
Before discovering monofilm original Windsurf sails were made entirely out of Dacron. This woven fabric offers a very good abrasion resistance but is very stretchy plus elongates (means it grows with each use). Therefore nowadays mainly used for reinforcement patches to protect the monofilm and XPly panels in the high abrasion areas of your sail (foot, clew, top and outside of batten pockets).
(5) INSIGNIA
Dacron material with a self-adhesive side. Therefore it doesn‘t require seams when put on top of the film plus prevents water from getting in-between the film and the abrasion patches (= lower wet weight).
Wanna know more details or looking for DUOTONE sail spare parts - here you go
BATTENS
Made out of glass- or carbon fiber either as solid version with smaller diameter (= stronger) or tube version with larger diameter (= stiffer). For a better understanding the mast is like the backbone of your sail whereas the battens act like the ribs of your sail keeping the profile in place. Same as the mast also the battens have individual profiles (thinner tip, thicker tail) matching the profile of the sail.
Simple rule: the more battens the more stable (= faster + bigger wind range) the sail becomes. But also the heavier the sail becomes as battens account for approx. 40% of the sails total weight. Therefore handling/wave-oriented sails usually come with 4-5 battens whereas performance oriented sails usually come with 6-7 battens.
As a second guideline smaller sail sizes require fewer battens than larger sizes.
CAMBERS
Usually there is a certain gap between the batten tip and the mast. This is necessary so that the batten can shift from one side of the mast to the other when sailing back and forth. A camber can be seen as a kind of connection between the batten tip and the mast filling out this gap.
This leads to much better aerodynamics as the cam enables a smooth transition between the thick mast into the thin sail body. In addition since the cam is braced against the mast the batten stabilises the sails profile much more effectively (sail becomes more stable = faster).
The downside is that the rotation from one side to the other becomes much harder. Plus the cambers need a certain space which requires a wider mast sleeve. This makes (water)starting much harder as the wider mast sleeve absorbs more water. Therefore cambers are mainly used on performance Freeride or high-performance Slalom sails.
FOOT ROACH
A sail with a lot of foot roach reduces the gap between the sail and the board (close the gap) which makes it more efficient/performance-oriented.
On the other hand a high cut foot with less foot roach improves the handling especially for all kind of ducking moves.
PROFILE DEPTH
A deeper sail profile gives you more power and performance in general.
A flatter profile on the other hand improves the handling as the distance of the flat profile is much shorter when shifting from one side to the other.
BOOM- AND LUFF LENGTH
Together with the sail size all dimensions increase. Means in general the larger the sail the longer the boom- and luff lengths become.
Simple rule: a heavier sailor needs to take a larger sail size to get planning in the same wind compared to a lightweight.
Rough indication for the biggest sail size: to get going in the same wind a 10 kg heavier guy requires a 1 sqm larger sail.
Max. sail size vs. body weight:
The larger the sail, the heavier and the more “sluggish” the rig becomes. In addition, larger sails require stiffer masts to keep the surface "in shape". A heavy rider provides more "counter-pressure" to the sail area and mast stiffness than a lightweight. That's why the sail tends to pull you out of balance, gets difficult to control during maneuvers and becomes inefficient to pump when it is too large for your body weight.
In relation to your body weight, there is a maximum sail size that should not be exceeded.
Here are some guidelines:
>> 9.0+: min. body weight 95kg
>> 8.0-8.3: min. body weight 80kg
>> 7.0-7.3: min. body weight 70kg
As a general rule rather use a slightly too small than a too big sail.
First you should define the biggest and smallest sail size you will need to cover all wind speeds you wanna sail in. This mainly depends on your body weight (see above).
Let’s take an “average” 75 kg sailor and let’s assume this guy wants to sail in “any kind” of wind.
- The biggest sail size this guy would need is something like a 7.3. With a capable 100-120 litre Freeride board this size would get him planning in approx. 8-10 knots.
- His smallest size would then be a 3.7. On a 70-80 litre (Free)Wave board our guy should be fine up to approx. 40-45 knots.
Second thing is to define the sizes in-between. Important to know: the wind pressure (which you feel in your hands) raises in square in relation to the wind speed. Therefore the smaller the sail size the smaller the size increments need to become. For large sails, the gap can be up to 1.5 sqm, while for very small sails it can go down to 0.3 sqm.
Taking all of this into account a typical quiver for our 75 kg guy could look as following:
7.3 - 6.0 - 5.3 - 4.7 - 4.2 - 3.7
Taking the “10 kg = 1 sqm” rule (see previous point) in consideration a typical quiver for an 85 kg guy could then be:
8.3 - 7.0 - 6.0 - 5-0 - 4.5 - 4.0
You have bought all parts from the same brand but if you rig according to the specs printed on the sail it still feels somehow ackward.
Unfortunately every product has tolerances in production. And the bigger a product becomes the bigger the tolerances become. Therefore tolerances on a smartphone are hardly visible whereas tolerances on Windsurf equipment are non-deniable.
- The tolerances on the mast length are approx. +-5 mm.
- The tolerances on mast extensions and booms are approx. +-3 mm.
Furthermore, there is unfortunately still no standard among brands on how to measure the length of booms and extensions.
- On a sail with all its panels the tolerances over the whole luff length can add up to another +-5-10 mm.
In addition, even with monofilm sails the luff stretches in the first 3 times you use the sail due to the massive downhaul tension.
Adding up all these tolerances you start realising why the absolute numbers printed on your sail (especially the luff length) can only be an indication to adjust your mast extension- and boom lengths.
To achieve the correct downhaul tension please make sure to only rely on the VTS (Visual Trim System) markers in the top of every DUOTONE sail.
Always keep in mind there are exactly 2 things either of them potentially killing at least 30% of your sails performance:
1. The wrong mast (see first point under MAST BASICS on every mast page)
2. Wrong/insufficient downhaul tension
There are 2 things which will destroy up to 60% of your sails' performance:
1. A wrong mast with a bend-curve which doesn't match with the luff curve of your sail
2. A wrong timmed sail
For how to rig and fine-tune your sail please see our YouTube channel.
Always rig according to the rigging instructions - see here.
After use in salt water, rinse or spray down with fresh water. At the very least at the end of a vacation or trip.
When possible only roll up the sail once it has dried. Never store a rolled up sail for any extended periods of time unless it is dry.
To dry, release the tension from the sail; if possible do not set out to dry in direct sunlight, and do not dry it by letting it flutter in the wind.
Always roll the sail from top or bottom, keeping all battens under full tension in their sleeves!
Use only recommended mast components for your sail in order to attain optimum performance.
Do not wash your sail with harsh detergents or chemicals. Water and a mild soap are fine.
Repair tears and holes in monofilm sails immediately to prevent further tearing. If proper repair is impossible (and this includes using the DUOTONE monofilm repair kit), at least seal the tear with normal tape or a sticker.
The sails durability is directly related to
a. the frequency of use
b. sail care and
c. UV-radiation (especially in monofilm sails)
In places with high UV-radiation, store the sail in the shade, otherwise de-rig it.
DUOTONE DESIGN PHILOSOPHIES - THINK DIFFERENT
With the information overkill nowadays no one has the time to read manuals anymore. Therefore we try hard to design our products as intuitive as possilbe to get you onto the water faster than with any other product. No wonder DUOTONE is called the feature world champ.
Here are some examples:
VTS 2.0
The first "guess-free" visual trimming guide to clearly show the correct downhaul tension. Version 2.0 comes with a window in the protector to mark your individual trim once you have found your ideal setting.
HTS 2.0
By marking the draft position on the sail you immediately know where to position your harness lines.
INDIVIDUAL BOOM LENGTH INDICATION
The length of the boom changes with the angle to the mast. Therefore if you move your boom up or down you need to change the length of your boom. As the only brand we take that in consideration by printing 3 different boom lengths onto the clew and boom cutout so that you always know the correct length according to your body/boom height.
SET&GO VARIO-TOP
Instead of leaving you with the time-consuming try and error procedure to find the correct setting we have installed markings on the webbing immediately showing the correct setting.
iROCKET 2.0
Every batten in a sail requires a different tension. That's why as the only brand we calibrate every single batten at the factory to the correct individual tension using a torque wrench. Since the screws are locked with screw glue you never have to touch them. Just rest asured to always have prefect batten tensions.
Our motto is clear: light is right but only if it doesn't go to costs of durability.
Our hardware products (booms, masts and extensions) are proven to be the lightest in the industry.
With our sails though we are not the lightest on the market (with the exception of the Super Hero M.Plus). The major reason for this is that we are using (much) thicker XPly laminates than some other brands.
The factors of puncture resistance, UV weathering resistance and stretch evidently depend ONLY on the thickness of the film used.
Puncture resistance and stretch have a linear relation to the thickness of the film. Means twice the thickness results in twice the strength against punctures with half the stretch.
Even more critical is UV resistance since here the relation to the thickness is overproportional. Means half the thickness reduces the UV-longevity by nearly 70%!
Some brands use XPly laminates which are 2/3rd thinner than ours in the upper sail area. Yes in the top you have less puncture issues and you can even get away with the increased strech. Unfortunately though the UV-exposure is the same all over the entire sail.
That's one of the reasons why the majority of Windsurf centres around the globe trust in DUOTONE products.
Eliminating stretch and loss of tension. If it’s good enough for safety belts, it’s good enough for windsurfers! We are the only manufacturer to use only polyester webbing for the (vario) top and the tack roller. This advantage of this compared to conventional polypropylene is the negligible amount of stretch. As a result even brand new sails will retain full luff tension and will not need subsequent trimming.
On modern wave sails you want to have a certain elasticity. The easiest way to „inject“ elasticity into a sail is by using Dacron for the luff panel.
Dacron has 2 disadvantages though:
Dacron is a rather soft woven fabric. Therefore it has a lot of give but similar to your t-shirt it wears out over time. Means your sail is permanently getting fuller in the luff panel. Especially under permanent downhaul tension (e.g. in surf centres) Dacron ages very fast.
The Dacron material improves the elasticity but due to the soft Dacron material it’s kind of a spongy softness. On the water such sails often have the tendency to become unbalanced on the wave and less precise during jumping.
Therefore Kai designs his wave sails with non-stretchy XPly luff panels. Instead he tries to implement elasticity into the sail through other design features. Starting with 2022 all no-cam sails feature a mast sleeve made out of one single piece (ONE PIECE SLEEVE) instead of the common two piece construction. Besides saving weight this eliminates the hard spot at the leading edge caused by the overlapping + reinforcement and the seam to connect the two pieces. This way the whole sleeve becomes an integral part of the mast flex/twist. We call this PRECISE ELASTICITY.
WE DO CARE
Sustainability is the most important and pressing challenge of todays mankind to secure a livable mother earth for future generations to come!
Over the last 50 years Windsurfing has developed into a super high tech sport. But let's face it despite what others might tell you with the exception of aluminium booms and extensions Windsurfing products are a "mixture of petrol-based plastic trash". And most times up to 100% of this plastic trash are non-recycled (means "freshly produced") plastics.
At least as of today there are no eco-friendly substitutes existing offering the minimum requirements necessary to design modern Windsurfing products. Or why do you think no one wants to sail with wooden booms, aluminium masts or stretchy sails made of woven fabrics anymore?
There is only one sustainable way out of this dilemma:
MAKING LONGER LASTING PRODUCTS (LONGEVITY = SUSTAINABILITY)
A high performance product that lasts longer and best case can even be put into additional use on the second hand market is the best and only way to conserve the resources of our earth.
Of course light components have a massive impact on the performance and handling of your rig. That's why light weight is always on our briefing list when designing and engineering new products. And DUOTONE products are among or in many cases are the lightest on the market.
But durability and longevity were and will ALWAYS be on top of our priority list. Our industry leading warranty extensions bear witness to this philosophy:
- 2 year unconditional warranty on almost every hardware product (masts, booms and extensions+bases).
- 5 year warranty on 80% of our sails.
On sails we cannot emphasize enough that especially reducing the thickness of the monofilm and the XPly laminate has a radical influence on the longevity/sustainability. Reducing the film thickness by 50% reduces the UV-stability by 70%. Just to shortterm impress magazine testers or customers some brands use up to 70% thinner laminates/films than we do. This is not our understanding of sustainability.
DOING MORE
However, since we are fully aware of the importance of sustainability, we cannot simply stop here.
>> Only we have stopped using any plastic for packaging our sails. This saves approx. 5 sqm of plastic film and foam per sail.
>> Only our aluminium products (booms and extensions+bases) are manufactured in a CO2 neutral production facility.
>> Only our aluminium products (booms and extensions+bases) are produced in Germany using 100% European raw materials in order to keep shipping distances (to our manufacture and then to our central warehouse) at a minimum.
>> Only our sail bags are made out of 100% recycled plastic.
>> Only we compensate all carbon emissions caused by our sails during manufacture and transport by supporting a hydropower carbon offset project in Sri Lanka, the country where our sails are produced.
WE DO LISTEN - BECOME PART OF THE DUOTONE DEVELOPMENT
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SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US!
We strive to create products that are superior in performance and function to anything else on the market. Therefore, we are not just interested in the opinion and experience of professional riders, but listen to ALL windsurfers out there. Because we know we can learn from everyone, we want to collect the opinions of windsurfers worldwide.
This project runs throughout the whole year. Every year on January 15th, the best ideas will be rewarded and might actually be implemented into future products.
So, you have got an idea? Contact us >HERE< and take your chance to make a difference. (Please use "R&D input for DTW" as a subject line)
REWARDS
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3rd - One Power.XT 2.0 (free of choice)
Any comments or questions? Here you’ll find first hand R&D / rider Information.
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Your skill level
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25 comment(s)
Are the new dukes, 80% monofilm like the 2022 one? I like reinforced sails with clear window (like hero). But I prefer the wide rang of use of the duke. Tks
ReplyHi Xavier, Welcome to the thread and thanks for brining this up. The new Duke SLS is a sail which is make out of XPly with a monofilm window. Therefore the Duke HD (which was a full XPly sail including window) will be discontinued.
ReplyHi RaoulI know most of your queries are with the selection of new gear, but I've a query about maybe something older! Maybe you will help as I've bought a bundle of DuoTone new gear since I restarted windsurfing again a few years back. I'm 80KG or so, and an old guy, so now mainly sail inland water, so chop rather then proper waves. I've E_Paces in 7.8, 6.6, 5.8 and 5.0; and Platinum SDM masts in 460, 430 and 400...and DuoTone carbon booms and Power.XT extensions. BTW the boards are a Simmer FreeMove 120 and a Fanatic FreeWave105. All this kit does me pretty well for 'most' conditions - but every so often, like today, the 5.0 is really too big so I sat it out. Days where the 5.0 on the FreeWave 105 can't handle it are really rare here - I can think of maybe 2 or 3 times this year when guys have been out on 4.2s-4.6s and I've sat the conditions out, so sadly for me (as a pensioner, retired!) I can't justify another new sail. But I'm thinking maybe a used SuperStar 4.5 might get me out on days where the 5.0 is too big? But also, I can't justify a 4th mast, so whatever it is is going to have to work with a 4.0 Platimun SDM, so again I'm not sure if the current models are designed for that. Would it be too big a gap to go to a 4.2, and too small a gap to a 4.7? I think historically there was a 4.5 E_Pace? And I think the 5.0 is discontinued too now? So even if it's not in the current range, anything you can suggest for a 400 SDM Platinum mast as the next step down from a 5.0 E_Pace to look out for?Thanks
ReplyHi William,Welcome to the thread.Actually all our sails below 5.4 are designed on RDM masts only now - with one exception which is the EPX - see here: https://www.duotonesports.com/en/products/sail-epx-14230-1220 Unfortunately this is is only available in 4.7 or 4.2.Please don’t hesitate to let me know in case you need any further assistance.
ReplyHi Raoulthanks for that - I wasn't even aware of the EPX. I can now find it googling it, but I can't seem to see it on the Sails section of the DuoTone site, at least on the UK version. But I guess the 4.2 is maybe too much of a jump down from a E_Pace 5.0, and the 4.7 is probably too close to make enough difference. Would the 4.2 EPX make a good high-wind companion to the 5.0 E_Pace?But I wonder can you answer another question? On my E_Pace 7.8 HD (which is one of my favourite sails) if I rig it on the minimum mark on the sail then the bottom batten won't rotate unless I put loads of outhaul on...which defeats the point for lighter winds. At the minimum mark prior to outhauling the batten ends are maybe 4 or 5cm ahead of the mast. This is on a 460 Platinum mast. If I put on more clicks to nearer the max mark, then everything is fine, and that's how I usually rig it. But I'd like to get the most out the sail on light wind days and I can't get the fullness I want with 'regular' outhaul, min mark on sail and have it rotate.
ReplyHi William,Happy to assist. Here you can find the EPX sail on the UK site: https://www.duotonesports.com/en/uk/products/duotone-sail-epx-2024-14230-1220 Actually I could imagine the EPX 4.2 should be a good fit with your E_Pace 5.0 cause the smaller E_Paces have a pretty good high end control.As for your issues with the 7.8 when rigged on absolute MIN downhaul we have realized this as well. And that's the reason why we have move the Min dot a bit further inside.
Replyhey team Duotone, I purchased a 2024 Duke 6.7 HD as largest sail for my Freewave 115. The "Best" mast indicated on your website is a 460 SDM, alternative RDM. The sailbag sticker shows Best RDM 460 though and no alternative. So what is it? I'm 190 tall and approx 93Kg, don't know if that influences the best choice. Let me know?
ReplyHi Philippe,Welcome to the thread.The webpage is always the most up-to-date/accurate source of information.Therefore the best masts for the 6.7 are either SDM460 (for heavier sailors to give extra support) or RDM460 (for lighter and/or more handling-oriented sailors).Please let me know in case you require any further assistance.
ReplyThank you Raoul, all clear!
ReplyHi !Can I rig a 5.4 Duke with the 400cm platinum mast. with the 36cm extension?
ReplyHey francoWelcome to the thread!I would not recommend you to use a 400 RDM.The mast will be too soft and all the draft will move to the back.So with a 40RDM you will defiantly not reach a good performance.Let me know if you have any further questions.ThanksMarco
ReplyHi Marco,I will buy the hero 5.30 to arm with the 400 platinum.Thank you
ReplyHello,I just bought 2 Duke 4.2 & 4.7 and actually have the same question as Axel, can I use my SDM 400 on them at all ? (not even an alternative in the above spec)Thanks
ReplyHey ludovic!Welcome too!The smaller sizes are not made for the SDM, we recommend to use ONLY RDM masts.SDM masts are working only in the sizes 6.2 and 6.7.Let me know if you have any further questions.Marco
ReplyHi, I bought a Duke in 6,7 (83 kg). What is your recommendation regarding is mast: SDM or RDM in 460? Best Axel
ReplyHi,I bought a Duke 6;7 (83 kg). What is your recommendation regarding the mast: SDM or RDM in 460? Best Axel
ReplyHey Axel!Welcome to the thread.We recommend the SDM as best option.The SDM has in general a better stiffness compare to RDM, that’s why You will have a better windrange combined with more stability.Let me know if you have any further questions.ThanksMarco
ReplyHi, in end of last season I changed sails from GA to Duotone. I am a light weighter, only 68 kg, so I decided to go for Duke 5.8, Super Star 5.0, Super Hero 4.2 and Super Hero 3.7 HD. I kept my Tabou 3S+ 86 l, but will get a Duotone Freewave soon as I can afford. I surf mostly in choppy conditions and small onshore waves. Now my question. I bought new masts to my Super Heros, Gold 340 & 370, but kept my 2021 GA C80 masts 400/430 for the Super Star and Duke. Will it make any difference to change to your Silver masts 400/430 or maybe Gold? The Platinum will be too expensive… Best regards, Thomas
ReplyHi Thomas,Welcome to the thread.First of your sail quiver looks very well thought.Above on this page under KNOWLEDGE BASE SAILS - BRAND COMPATIBILITY - SAIL-MAST BRAND COMPATIBILITY we have listed how well other brands masts work in our sails. As you can see the GA masts work pretty well in our sails. If you wanna change to Duotone you should go for the Gold masts cause the Silver masts are noticeably heavier and slower in response (also in comparison to your GA masts). So I recon to either change to the Gold masts or keep your GA masts.Please let me know in case you need any further assistance.
ReplyThank you Raoul!I really like the new sails, best I ever had. I go for the Gold masts when I find a good offer during this season.
ReplyHi Thomas,Thank yo so much for the compliment on the sails!One last thing on the masts: the difference between the Gold and the Platinum is really not that big. So going for the Gold is a perfect decision.
ReplyHi Raoul,great to see such a support channel from a manufacturer, it's valuable to read through all the comments. I'm an intermediate, 190cm,85kg, mostly surfing on lakes(Bavaria + lake Garda). I do have a freeride 120l board and I'm mostly using an older 7.3 North sails for the lower (below 14kts) marginal wind conditions. And if the wind picks up I'm directly switching to a np combat 5,6. And that's a big step and barely handeable - from way overpowered to underpowered. So, in short looking for some bigger change, therefore my questions:1. Difference between duke 6,2 and e pace 6,2 and superstar sls 6,2. I'm not into top speed, but want to get going quickly and handling needs to be easy.2. duke 6,7 as an option for marginal wind instead of a freeride 7,3? How much do I lose?3. Real difference of gold vs platinum mast for an intermediate surfer?4. High wind stability of duke 5,8 vs super star 5,7?Sorry for this lengthy post, thanks for your answers!Best, David
ReplyHi David,Welcome to the thread and really happy to hear that you appreciate our service. Cause in the end it's a win-win situation - you get inside infos about our products and we get a better understanding about our customer needs, desires and issues.Ok so we have quite similar stats even though I'm (even) 5kg heavier than you (comes with age :-) Plus I'm also spending quite some time at Garda especially when testing our new freeride products. Means I should be quite well "qualified" to give you some decent advice here :-) Following to your questions:1. E_Pace vs. Duke vs. Super_StarOn a 120 freeride board you could actually use all 3 of the mentioned sails. In order from performance to (wave) handling I would say E_Pace >> Duke >> Super_Star. In this size I would either tend towards the E_Pace or the Duke with the Duke being the perfect "allrounder" (what a shitty word :-) and the E_Pace a bit more on the performance side (not really difficult to sail - major difference to the Duke I would say is the weight).2. Duke 6.7 vs. freeride (E_Pace) 7.3Well the major thing you will loose is planning power cause 0.6 size difference you cannot "talk away". If you are a very active sailor you might be able to compensate most of this. But this requires a very very decent pumping technique and fitness... which even I wouldn't wanna do the whole day in gusty conditions like in Torbole...So my recommendation would be to stay with your 7.3 and then add a 6.2 and 5.4/5.3 to it.3. Gold vs. Platinum mastIf you would have asked me Silver vs. Gold (or even Platinum) I would have tried everything to persuade you going for the Gold mast. Cause this difference is like day and night.The difference between Gold and Platinum though yes it's there but only really recognisable by a very advanced/pro rider. Means the Gold is quite close in weight and reflex speed to the Platinum - or close enough for any "amateur/non-pro" sailor. 4. High end stability Duke 5.8 vs. Super_Star 5.7Also quite a clear statement here cause with its extra batten the Duke is clearly more stable. Especially in combination with a freeride board - but why is that? Well on a 120 litre board there is more surface in the water like for example compared to a 90 litre (free)wave board. And this means more "board-resistance" the sail needs to "pull against". And this requires more battens to keep the sails profile "together. Therefore fewer battens are less of an issue on smaller boards than on bigger ones. I hope you understand the point I try to get across here.Please don't hesitate to let me know in case anything's unclear or you need any further assistance.
ReplyHi Raoul,thanks a lot, this clears most of my questions. I really had to laugh, as I'm working hard against "age"-tendency you mentioned ;-)For question #1 I was asking specifically for the SLS Version of the Superstar, as I thought that might be not only lighter, but stiffer/more reactive/more profile stable in this construction than the duke and therefore could be used a bit longer before switching to a smaller size. My main intention is to switch down from the 7+ size as soon as possible, and stay with one sail size as long as possible. Yes I'm lazy swichting sails, I'd rather add a smaller board (fsw105?) if that makes more sense if the wind picks up. Does that approach work?Talking about Torbole: Do you find yourself often using a size below 6.5 or is your time predominantly spent on freeride/freerace 7.3/7.8 gear? I just want to get to know if my expectations in downsizing early are too high.Thanks also for clarifying about Gold and Platinum. Of course it's all about distributing budget too. But I just don't want to have the issue of "buy cheap, buy twice"...
ReplyHi Raoul,thanks for your explanation, that helps a lot. Really had to laugh, as I'm working hard against that age-tendency you mentioned ;-)1. I was specifically asking here about the sls version of the superstar as I thought it's not only lighter but stiffer/more reactive/more profile stable due to construction. Isn't it? I hoped it could be the lighter and more direct version of the duke, which isn't available in SLS.2. Talking about Torbole: are you using mostly a freeride 7m+ sail there, or are you able to go smaller on a lot of days. I'm asking because my whole intention is to downsize as early as possible without losing too much. I'm pretty lazy and don't want to re-rigg. But maybe I'm expecting too much of what's possible with new sails in terms of drive and early planing.3. Alright, Gold is the way to go then. Just wanted to make sure that I don't end up in the "buy cheap/er, buy twice" corner.4. Is it maybe easier with a new e pace in 7.3 to cover the range down to my current NP 5.6?It's an old NS Natural 7.3. Is there such a huge difference from then to now that I should invest more in that size if it's used the most? (Which it is right now as the gap to 5,6 is so big). Of course it comes to budget and I just want to spent it on the things I use often.
ReplyHi David,Hehe I have eventually given up that fight. 1. Yes the SLS version offers a bigger wind range than the original Super_Star. But for a 120 Freeride board I would still say the Duke is a better fit.2. On an average Torbole Ora day with „our weight“ I would say you will always go with the 7.3. At Pier which is a bit windier but even more important less choppy we would mainly be on a 7.3 or 6.7 - or if it’s a really good Ora day maybe 6.2 or sometimes even 5.7.3. Seams we are not just similar in size but also alike in attitude since my motto is also „if you buy too cheap you buy twice“. Means a real smart shopper does a thorough investigation and is better off spending a little more money and still ends up spending less money than the „cheap shopper“. 4. NS Natural vs. E_PaceAs much as I would love to talk you into investing into an E_Pace 7.3 :-) it would be a lie telling you you could go straight down to a 5.6. I would say 7.3. - 6.2 would be ideal or max. 7.3 - 6.0.Major difference now and then is that the E_Pace has more low end power especially for us „heavy weights“ - even without active sailing (when trimmed to VTS Min). But with the same high end control (= v-max) - or even better if rigged to VTS Max.
ReplyHi Raoul,thanks again for all the info. It's quite clear now. I think the Duke 6.2 with a gold mast is a good call then to add below my old 7.3.Lastly, if replacing the 7.3 - which will come next actually - with an E-Pace, would you go 7.3 or rather 7.8? How would you describe the tradeoff between more windrange and harder handling, especially as you know the conditions it'll be used the most?
ReplyHi David,There is always the ideal size between least effort (means passive planing power without too much pumping) and still a good and relatively effortless handling. For me this is the 7.3. Yes the 7.8 will get you going even a bit earlier but it does feel like a big sail. As mentioned the better option for absolute low end conditions is to rig the E_Pace 7.3 to Min - cause then it’s becomes a tractor. But careful with this trim it’ll become a handful when powered up.
ReplyHi Raoul! I hope you are well! Laura from Miami here! I have a friend riding a Freewave 85 TE with older 4.5 Super Hero. She's just now getting the hang of water starting, and learning to Gybe. She wants to upgrade the old North sail for the 2024 4.5 Duke. Would the transition from Hero to Duke and 4 to 5 battens be user friendly for her? She's 5'8 135 lbs, beginner to intermediate, riding onshore flat water. She has both S2 Maui and North Platinum masts. And her next sail up is a Duotone Super Hero 5.0.Congratulations with the new rebranding!
ReplyHi Laura,A very special welcome to the thread.It’s so nice to hear from you! I hope you’re doing great as ever.Sorry for the very late reply but your inquiry ended up in the disqus spam folder. I really don’t understand how you of all people could end up there.Anyhow back to your question.Actually that’s kind of a tricky one. It’s not so much 5 vs. 4 battens but more the fact that the Super_Hero and the Duke have a very different draft location. And thus they feel/behave very different. You can find all the details above under KNOWLEDGE BASE SAILS - BRAND COMPATIBILITY - SAIL-QUIVER BRAND COMPATIBILITY. In general though the Duke fits very well with the FreeWave. It’s just that it feels so different to the Super_Hero your friend is used to that she will need a bit of time to get used to.Please do not hesitate to let me know in case anything‘s unclear and/or you need any further assistance. PS: happy you like the rebranding - thanks.
ReplyHi, which sail in your 2024 range is closest to the Super Session please? I have a full quiver of Super Sessions except one in the 5.5m to 5.7m range. I see some 2023 Star gazers are still available, which i believe was the replacement for the Super Session, but this has now been dropped too i think for 2024? (I believe you went from 5 battens to 4 battens for the Star gazer. Hopefully the whatever the 2024 replacement is will have 5 battens again) Many thanks
ReplyHi Tom,Thanks for bringing this up. I would say the closest sail to the Super Session is definitely the Duke - same amount of battens and a very similar draft position. Major difference is that the Duke has a bigger wind range than the Super Session (both in the high end but especially in the low end).Please let me know in case you need any further assistance.
ReplyHi Raoul, very helpful thank you. Appreciate the super quick reply. Unfortunately for me the Duke "only" comes in 5.4m and 5.8m, and as I have the 5.0m and 6.3m super sessions I need a sail of about 5.6m! So that leaves me the super star 5.7m. Can you tell me please 1) what the compromise is of going from 5 battens (super sesion) to 4 battens (super star) and any other performance differences beteween the two sails? I guess the 'win' is a lighter sail maybe? And secondly is there a physical difference between the super star and super star star gazer edition?
ReplyHi Tom,Ok got you.Actually exchanging the Super_Star with the Duke was mainly cause most (of these kind of) customers think 4 battens are too "wave-oriented". Yes a 5th batten gives you more stability (mainly in the bigger sizes, 5.3 and up). But apart from that the Super_Star, Duke and Super_Session are not too different as again all 3 sails have a very similar draft position. And of course you are right one batten less saves a bit of weight.Super_Star vs. Stargazer Edition: both sails are identical in shape and weight. The only difference is the artwork design.
ReplyHello,I'm 183cm weighing 70 kgs.I own :- Neil Pryde Combat Wave 4,7- Neil Pryde Combat Wave 4,0I will buy in the next days a Fanatic Freewave TE 95l and I will buy a new sail for Light wind ( 15-20 knots)Which will be the Good choice ? Is the Duke 5.8 or 6.2 ?6.2 is not too big for Freewave 95l ?for information, im' an advanced level (I have 49 years old, but 20 years of windsurf from Age 7 to 27 years)
ReplyHi Vincent,Welcome to the thread.I would recon to go for the 5.8 cause with your rather light body weight this will be the biggest wave/handling sail you will need.Yes the 6.2 might get you going even a bit earlier. But obviously the handling and weight of the 6.2 won't be as good as the 5.8. And light weight plus handling are especially important the more lightweight the sailor is.Please don’t hesitate to let me know in case you need any further assistance.
ReplyHi Raoul,Thanks a lot for your recommandation. 5.8 seems to be a good choice, regards my light body weight.Now, I need to have another sail with a smaller size to complete quiver, because my wife will use combat 4.7 and 4.0. and i prefer to have a consistent quiver with the same duotone brand.So is it judicious to buy again another Duke ou take a Superstar ?And which sail size ? 5.0 or 4.7 ( I don't know Why but I have always liked ride with a 5.0). I find that's the ideal sail size for our European conditions (I live in Britain, in France)
ReplyHi Vincent,Sorry I've missed out on this one.As a good step down from the 5.8 I would recon to go for a 5.0. Going down to a 4.7 might leave you with a gap - means the bigger sail you cannot control anymore whereas the smaller sail is still too small.Duke or Super_Star? Well honestly not much of a difference since both sails have a very similar draft position. Only difference: due to the 5th batten the Duke is a little bit more draft stable when blasting on your FreeWave whereas the Super_Star offers a slightly better handling (on the wave).
ReplyI’m 187cm weighing 86kg, owning - e-pace 7.8 (460 gold mast)- Now 4.4 (370 platinum mast, mostly for my wife, but I find it nice in stronger winds)and an older Severne 6.0.I’m planning to replace the Severne with something smaller than the e-pace 7.8, maybe in the region of 6 sqm. I’m currently preferring being overpowered with the 7.8 than using the Severne sail as the e-pace is so much easier to handle(yes I’m a fan). At the same time I find the 4.4 Now just a dream to handle, but I need something bigger.Note that I’m at beginner plus level, I’m planing in the harness (most of the time), but rarely in the foot straps. My boards are 145 liter, 160 and 200ish.Waves are typically relatively small where I sail, so I just want to play around and have fun.Is Duke something for me, or do you recommend something else?Ps. I have a platinum 430 mast SDM, would that be ok for the Duke, or do I have to replace?Eirik
ReplyHi Eirik,Welcome to the thread.Ok first things first. The Duke is a good addition to your E_Pace since it has a similar draft location thus feeling. But I would reconsider the sizing. When building up your quiver the max size difference on the big sizes should be 1.5sm (please see above under SAIL BASICS - GUIDELINES FOR BUILDING UP YOUR PERSONAL SAIL QUIVER).Therefore I would recon going for the Duke 6.2. Another advantage of the 6.2 is that it also works good on your Platinum SDM430 mast.Please don’t hesitate to let me know in case you need any further assistance.
ReplyHello Raoul,I just unpacked my new 5.8 sail and noticed that track roller is in different position like on the other sails that I own.The strap that connects the roller to the sail is only one, usually there are two, right?Please check attached photos.Thanks.Ana https://uploads.disquscdn.c... https://uploads.disquscdn.c... https://uploads.disquscdn.c...
ReplyHi Ana,Thanks for reaching out.We have switched to a wider webbing in the factory about a year ago. This way we just need one v-shaped webbing attachment instead of two. So rest assured it’s all perfectly fine.
ReplyHi everyone, great forum and discussions.I explain my case for sail recommendations.I’m an intermediate sailor, I currently use a 120 lt crossboard board (2008 Starboard Kombat, pretty nice board though!) and a RRD Freestyle wave Y25 90 lts. And I match both boards with a 4.7 Severne S-1 Sail…2013 version. I measure 1.7 mt and weigh around 70 Kg with a very decent fitness level.I feel comfortable riding both boards, still struggling with the Jibe, but now hitting some minor chop hop jumps.My goal is to progress and improve technique, conquer the jibe and hit some jumps with confidence.The issue is that the spot where I sail, deep down in the Chilean Patagonia, near Punta Arenas. Has tricky conditions. Wind can vary a lot. In the “good days” average wind can be 16,17+ with gusts up to 30, 32, but there are days with average 20,25 with gusts up to 40+ knots and that can happen within the same day. Also, suddenly wind can drop to 10 knots or less and then pick up again with a massive wind gust. I can say that 90% of the time I sail overpowered, sometimes barely being able to control de gusts and for safety reasons I simply don’t go in the water with my 4.7 in a nuking day. The spot is also super choppy due to the strong winds.That being said I´m looking for a 3.8 or 4.0 sail to add to my quiver for the blasting days and also a new 4.5 or 4.7 for the “good days”, but I need a recommendation for a sail with a wide wind range and various setup points to allow adjustment within the same session. Thanks!!!
ReplyHi Rafael,Thanks for your detailed feedback about your spot and the desires you have for your new sail(s).Actually I have sailed in such gusty spots myself as well. Since you are a rather lightweight (at least for European standards :-) it’s even more challenging to sail in such gusty conditions. Therefore (high end) control should be on the top of your priority list.Now what gives you more control?1. Battens: simple rule more battens give you more control (4 batten vs. 5 batten wave sail). But always in relation to the sail size (4 battens on a 4.0 is plenty to keep the „small area under control“ whereas 4 battens on a 6.0 usually results in a very limited control). Also more battens increase the weight of the sail - and low weight is another important factor especially for lighterweights. 2. Draft position: simple rule higher draft improves low end power (as it lifts the board), lower draft improves the controlSo ideally you would be looking for a sail with more battens and/or lower draft position.I know the Severne S1 quite well since we steadily check their sails. The Severne wave sails have a very high draft position. Plus the S1 comes with 4 battens „only“.From our range I would suggest looking at the Duke in 4.7 (5 battens but higher draft) or going for the Super_Hero (lower draft but 4 battens). In 4.0/3.7 I would definitely recon going for the Super_Hero as the low draft makes a huge difference in such nuking „survival“ conditions. Yes due to the different draft positions Duke and Super_Hero feel different. But coming from a bigger sail with higher draft to a smaller sail with lower draft doesn’t take much time to get adjusted. Cause the smaller the sail gets the more important control becomes. Only the other way around (big size with low draft and small size with high draft) you should avoid at all costs as it does the opposite to what you need for the different conditions and thus always feels „wrong“.Please let me know in case you need any further assistance.
ReplyHi Raoul, thanks for your answer, truly appreciate the level of detail of the explanation. I would definitely go for the Super_Hero...not 100% sure of the 3.7 or 4.0...think 4.0 as I'm used to sail overpowered, but based on this I have 2 more questions,1- What would be the ideal mast + boom to use with the sail based on the conditions.. ( Not the pro setup, nor the ultra economic, something in the mid range)2- Don't see a Duotone distributor in Chile, But maybe I can buy from abroad (US/Europe) any distributor you know that ships internationally?Thanks again.Best,Rafael
ReplyHi Rafael,Sorry of the delayed reply but I had to check with our US subsidiary first since we do not have a distributor in Chile. Most customers south of the border have product shipped to freight forwarders who specialize in delivering to their country. Way easier for both parties. So he recons to reach out to one of bigger US-based shops (e.g. Big Winds).1. sail the size: I would recon to go for the 4.0 since the step from 4.7 to 3.7 would definitely too big, means by the time you can't control the 4.7 anymore the 3.7 would still be too small.2. Hardware/components:By far the most important component is the mast. So I recon to save some bucks on the boom and go for the Silver or even the Black boom. A carbon boom is not really necessary. Remember the shorter the boom the less difference you feel between alloy and carbon.And then go for the Gold.90 mast. Remember the mast is like the backbone of your rig means the better the mast fits to the sail the better the performance and the lower the dynamic weight of your rig will be.
ReplyHi Raoul, thank you again for your detailed reply, all clear on the sail and equipment. Well noted on the shops, will check in the web and see what can I do with the shipping to Chile, fingers crossed!Rafael
ReplyHello Raoul,Last year I bought two new Super Heroes (4.5 and 5.0). Besides my wave gear I have a freestyle board on which I mainly do classic maneuvers and also try to do some sliding stuff. I have often noticed that the Hero is not particularly suitable for this – old discussion I just did not have the guts to try and buy something new. Is the new Duke 5.4 a good addition to my set? I am 78 kilos and I never sail bigger than 5.6.
ReplyHi Hotze,Welcome (back) to the product support threads. You had an inquiry in another thread if I remember correctly or?To your question yes with its centred-low draft position the Super Hero is not the best freestyle contender. For your purpose I would either recon the Super Star or the Duke. Cause both sails feature a forward-higher draft position, not as radical as the Idol but similar. With that both these sails are very capable for classic and even new school freestyling. Difference: with its 4 batten layout the Super Star is lighter while the Duke offers bigger wind range due to the additional batten. Please let me know in case you require any additional support.
ReplyYes, I previously asked if my old 2016 Hero 5.0 could be easily replaced by a new model, without too big differences with my other sizes of that model. That purchase went well, I also bought a new 4.5 shortly afterwards. I was wondering if a Duke 5.4 is more suitable for freestyle than my old 2016 Hero 5.6 and therefore a good replacement.Edit: Oh I remember an earlier question on replacing my old Hero 5.6 2016 for a Superstar or SLS (or how is it named?). Although I had plans in that direction, it just didn't happen. I also do other board sports, mostly surfing. After a fun windsurfing family/freeride/freestyle session last week, the question bubbled up again. And then I saw the new Duke...
ReplyHello Raoul, i am 80kg 1,80, using Hero up to 5.3 on my Grip 86 and FW105. Which Duke size would you recommend up to smartly complement by 5.3 on the FreeWave ? Need for BnJ conditions Thanks (using 430 platinum)
ReplyHi Benoit,Welcome to the thread.To make a real difference to your Hero 5.3 I would go for the 6.2. Combined with the Freewave 105 that is a combination which will get you planing very very early with your 80kg.
ReplyThanks Raoul for the advice. Looking at my 5.3, the biggest of my Hero quiver, i am wondering changing it for a 5.3 Star SLS. I see some pros doing that (planning, lightness, BnJ with my freewave, still working with my Grip, ok to learn foil…) but i have doubts as well wrt Duotone advice not to mix hero and star… which feedback could you share wrt the above? Thanks again, this direct chat with designers is great, Benoît
ReplyHi Benoit,Happy to hear that you like our service. When starting these product threads our aim was to give our customers the best possible service and advice to get the maximum performance out of their products. Plus we get a better feeling of your demands and issues for future product developments. So it is actually a win-win situation.As for your question I see you have carefully checked all the info on our sail product pages. Actually I get the feeling that I need to slightly modify the SAIL-QUIVER COMPATIBILITY part. Cause yes in general you should not mix draft forward-up with draft centred-low sails but... What we've experienced is that having a bigger sail with a forward-up draft and then going to a centred-low draft sail in the small sizes seams to be not a major issue. Cause a centred-low draft simply gives you much more control over your sail - and this is exactly what you want/need in nuking conditions. What you should definitely try to avoid though is going from a bigger size sail with a centred-low draft to a smaller forward-up sail. Cause then you simply have the opposite of what you need in overpowered conditions. I hope you understand what I'm trying to get across here.So in short yes having smaller Super_Hero sizes and switching to a Super_Star in 5.3 is actually not a bad idea at all. Just not the other way around.And guess what: we will release such a "converting draft" wave sail very soon (March-April). So maybe wait a bit longer here. But psssst that's still top secret...
ReplyClear Thanks!And lets wait
ReplyHello Raoul,Very interesting. About the next Duke, do you plan to modify the sail construction (materials) ? I plan to buy the 2023 one, but I do not like too much the construction of the top of the sail...Thanks.
ReplyHi Nico,Not sure if I understand your question correctly. In case you mean if we plan a SLS version of the Duke then the answer is no for the moment.Also there is the HD full XPly version.
ReplyHello Raoul,Thanks for your answer. A full XPly version except for the "main" panel would have been perfect.
ReplyHi Raoul, me again for some for advice! Since last chat I have move on with a Superstar SLS 5.3 ans truly enjoy it, very very fun to sail. Next question is about my next 6.2: Duke or Superstar SLS 2022 (if I can find one)? Thanks
ReplyHi Benoit,Happy to hear that I could be of help.Hmm actually I think you would be equally happy with both sails cause they are very similar. That's also the reason why we cancelled the Super_Star when we released the Duke. Cause in 6.2 also the Super_Star featured 5 battens which made both sails very similar - or too similar to still offer both of them.
ReplyAny chance of rigging 6.7 on a 430?
ReplyI’d really love to be able to rig the 6.7 on a 4 30 RDM, otherwise it means buying another mast…I’m 1.8 m and 95 kg, on Freewave 125 in bump and jump and small wave condition.Any chance?
ReplyHi Roger,Unfortunately that’s not possible. The size is simply too big for such a soft mast. Especially since you are a rather heavy sailor.Many brands have tried this but it never really worked. So better be honest/realistic than to end up with a sail which just collapses. https://uploads.disquscdn.c...
ReplyIs there any chance of using a platinum 430 (40 carbon extender available, if necessary) and the duke 6.7? Just for low wind conditions on a grip 107? (85kg) next sail is a super session 6.0. i sold all sdm masts and won‘t buy a sdm mast again. Thx Michael
ReplyHi Michael,Thanks for double-checking. Ok honest reply: honestly we had to persuade our sail designer Kai to even suggest the RDM 460 mast as an alternative. Cause who needs a 6.7 maneuver sail? Mainly heavy-weights like yourself (or me) to get going in really marginal conditions. But the heavier the rider and the bigger the sail (= bigger leverage) the stiffer the mast needs to be to ensure the low-end power you need to get going. Long story short (especially) for your body weight the RDM 430 would be too soft to give you the low end performance you are looking for. Not even to mention the stability (wind range) you expect either. I know this is not the answer you were looking for. But we always prefer to give our customers an honest assistance. Cause rather replying „it’s gonna be perfect“ to achieve a fast sales success we wanna generate happy longterm customers.
ReplyHi, can you use 430 SDM mast on Duke 5,8 sail or only RDM.
ReplyI mean the regular Duke could be made out of x-ply except the main panel (monofilm).
ReplyHello Raoul,Another question. Why do not you use x-ply on the top of the sail (classic model) ?Thanks.Nicolas
ReplyHi Nico,Thanks for bringing up this interesting topic.Especially with prices on everything going through the roof lately you need to act even smarter. With our years of experience especially in surf centers we feel we use exactly the right amount of XPly in the right spots - in the top, in the foot, in the luff and in the clew. Cause you must not forget that the raw material price difference between monofilm and XPly is factor 5!Plus on top we also offer a full XPly version for everyone who wants the full „jail fence optic“ :-)
ReplyHello Raoul,Thanks a lot for your answer.I will ask my shop for the price. Less expensive than the Super Hero or Superstar. May be.Nicolas
ReplyHello Raoul,Did you change the tack roller ? Double ? Triple ?ThanksNicolas
ReplyHi Nico,Thanks for bringing this up.We always try to come as close as possible to the wishes of our customers.That’s the reason why we returned to a 3 roller tack fitting design on all 20.23 sails.Cause not everyone owns a Power.XT - yet :-)
ReplyHello Raoul,Thanks a lot for your answer.This is good news ! I own a Duke 5.4. A 2012 one. I need arguments to change it.Good night.Nicolas
ReplyYeah, I really like to see the 5 batten is back! I assume it’s very similar to the SuperSession which disappeared 2 years ago which I still like very much on flatter water with strong winds on my smaller board?
ReplyHi, would it be possible to use the 5.4 Duke with a 400 RDM Gold mast and a power xt 2 extension, I think it goes to 36cm and the Duke luff is 434cm?I have a 430 SDM Gold and don't really want to buy another mast as the RDM400 fits my 4.2 and 4.7 Super StarsThanksAndrew
ReplyHi Andrew,Welcome to the thread.We want to give our customers the best possible assistance and therefore always try to give the most honest replies. Cause we are aiming to have happy customers by getting the max out of their equipment rather than a fast sales success by just saying „yes it gonna be perfect“.Therefore unfortunately I have to tell you that the 5.4 was solely designed around the RDM430 and won’t work on the 400.
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